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Ser Scot A Ellison
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Jan 2 2009, 18.30
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QUOTE (Relic @ Jan 2 2009, 12.12)
What do you think will happen if someone DOESN'T say it?
Pat Robertson and those like him will scream about an all out assault on Christianity. Religiously conservative bloggers will go on 'I told you so' tirades about Obama being a god-hatin Muslim. Hannity, Rush and their ilk shout to the heavens about PC loving libruls destroying American values and culture. Republican elected officials will exclaim how shocked and offended they are. (And will only use the terms shocked and appalled to do so...or they may mix it up with shocked and offended) 3 year old slanderous e-mail chain letters will start circulating again. Recipients won't be sure whether Obama's a Muslim, Arab, Jew, or Atheist, but they'll be pretty sure he hates apple pie. Mainstream media will invite on a bunch of agenda driven hacks who will give disingenuous, self-serving propaganda and call it analysis or commentary. And on chat boards, in bars, and at family gatherings for the next 6 months I'll have to hear whatever argument Hannity/Limbaugh comes up with verbatim...again and again.
On a side note, my NRA/Gun loving Uncle now likes Obama...largely because liberals are complaining about him lately. I guess that's progress. ("If they hate him, than I like him" would be the exact quote)
Feb 19 2009, 07.43
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New cartoon controversy
QUOTE (TheKassi @ Feb 18 2009, 23.14)
If you have to ignore the facts surrounding an event for it to be racist, then it isn't racist. Congress wrote the stimulus bill. The Cartoon equates the rampaging monkey that needed to be put down with the writers of the stimulus bill. Thus Congressional Democrats are the monkey.
The only way to assume that Obama is the monkey is if you are completely uniformed about the stimulus bill, or assume that depicting a politician as a monkey is only reserved for African American heads of state, and the monkey can not be anyone else.
This doesn't make a whole hell of alot of sense. The face of the stimulus bill is Obama. He's been talking about it since before he got elected. It was his first major agenda piece once he got into office. He's been pushing it non-stop. There is no name that is more associated with this stimulus bill than Obama. The press wasn't saying Democrats were losing the message war on the bill, they said Obama was. The Press wasn't looking at Pelosi or Reed when it appeared that the bill might be faltering, they were looking at Obama. Your reasoning is flawed and your conclusion nonsense.
Feb 19 2009, 13.56
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QUOTE (TheKassi @ Feb 19 2009, 11.17)
If the caption had said 'Looks like they will have to find someone else to be the face of the next stimulus bill' or 'Push the next stimulus bill' or 'give speeches and make cross-country appearances to promote the next stimulus bill' then you might have a point. It doesn't.
Obama had a role in the stimulus bill. Congress had another. The Caption didn't reference Obama's role at all. It referenced the role of Congress. One can not make a logical leap from 'The cartoon insults those who wrote the stimulus package' to 'The cartoon compares Obama to a dead chimp' without ignoring the caption.
Dude, you've got the stimulus bill which is more associated with Obama than any other person on earth and you've got a dead monkey shot by cops. (insert centuries of historical baggage of blacks being portrayed as mindless, crazed monkeys) This isn't rocket science here. I can buy that the author didn't mean it that way and in a feat of impressive ignorance didn't consider the obvious connotations. There are people that oblivious to social and historical context. But he should have known better and so should his editor. The caption doesn't need to reference Obama, the implications are obvious enough. Again, may not have been what the artist was going for, but given that he previously compared gays to sheep-fuckers and the fact that it appears in the NY Post, I'm not giving them much benefit of the doubt here.
Mar 6 2009, 12.16
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QUOTE (Watcher @ Mar 6 2009, 11.10)
A better comparison is with the George W. Bush. His approval rating was once over 80% and he had strong backing of the Republican controlled Congress. If Obama fails it will be for similar reasons Bush did, an overabundance of hubris and overplaying his hand.
Eh...if he fails I'd say its because his predecessors all but destroyed the country and that Obama, despite his many talents, can't walk on water and raise the dead.
Apr 8 2009, 11.53
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Apr 13 2009, 18.53
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QUOTE (Shryke @ Apr 13 2009, 18.44)
Well fuck. Obama has destroyed the world's only safe-haven from American Tourists:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/13/some-cuba-travel-restrict_n_186197.html
NOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Awesome. And about fucking time. Just for morbid curiousity's sake, I'm tempted to take a vacation to Cuba.
Apr 13 2009, 20.28
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QUOTE (Triskele @ Apr 13 2009, 20.06)
One of my disappointments with Obama so far is his administration's willingness to keep going with Bush's expansions of executive power and rights to spy on Americans. Bush is still more to blame for initiating the projects but this is really too bad. I hope that conservatives who supported Bush when he was doing this now understand the concept of precedence.
This is about the single quickest way Obama could sour me on his Presidency. I hope the chorus of disapproval ratchets up and I hope Obama changes course. This shit pisses me off.
Apr 14 2009, 01.46
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QUOTE (Tempra @ Apr 14 2009, 01.16)
And does that make democrats some of the biggest hypocrites around for criticizing Bush and then turning around and continuing bush policies?
Or just idiots for not realizing that their own leaders would do the same?
Ummm...what? I can't think of too many democrats elected or otherwise in support of this. We're not shameless, dishonest, self-delusional hypocrites. (aka, Republicans) And what reason did we have to believe that this shit would continue under Obama? Its disappointing and it pisses me off. Another disgusting legacy of Republican fucknuggets. Thanks for opening the can of worms.
May 10 2009, 19.30
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